From andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it Tue Jan 3 01:20:08 2006 From: andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it (Andrea Preite Martinez) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:20:08 +0100 Subject: UCD news... Message-ID: <20060103102008.y85gtgkm7jf4844g@webmail.sic.rm.cnr.it> Dear members of the WG, first of all, a very happy new year to you all! For a good start, I'm pleased to annunce you that the UCD1+ word-list is an IVOA Recommendation from Dec 31 2005. You can find version 1.11 of the document at http://www.ivoa.net/Documents/latest/UCDlist.html Now that we have eventually the first standard list of words, it's time to start wondering how to change it! We already had a discussion on a Note on UCD1+ maintenance I submitted to the WG in October. I revised the Note according to some (if not all) of your remarks, and transformed the Note into the Working Draft that you can find at http://www.ivoa.net/Documents/latest/UCDlistMaintenance.html . I?m ready to move the document to the state of PR and request comments from the community, but before doing this I?d like to be sure that the discussion in our WG is over. So, if you still have comments or amendments to the text of the Working Draft, please do it soon. A reasonable schedule could be to have an RFC in February and to submit the PR to the Exec before the InterOp in spring. Cheers, Andrea ============================================================================== Andrea Preite Martinez andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it Istituto di Astrofisica Spaziale Tel.:+39.06.4993.4641 Area di Ricerca di Tor Vergata Fax.:+39.06.2066.0188 Via del Fosso del Cavaliere 100 Cell:+39.339.3817355 00133 Roma CDS :+33.3.90242473 ============================================================================== From andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it Tue Jan 3 01:20:08 2006 From: andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it (Andrea Preite Martinez) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:20:08 +0100 Subject: UCD news... Message-ID: <20060103102008.y85gtgkm7jf4844g@webmail.sic.rm.cnr.it> Dear members of the WG, first of all, a very happy new year to you all! For a good start, I'm pleased to annunce you that the UCD1+ word-list is an IVOA Recommendation from Dec 31 2005. You can find version 1.11 of the document at http://www.ivoa.net/Documents/latest/UCDlist.html Now that we have eventually the first standard list of words, it's time to start wondering how to change it! We already had a discussion on a Note on UCD1+ maintenance I submitted to the WG in October. I revised the Note according to some (if not all) of your remarks, and transformed the Note into the Working Draft that you can find at http://www.ivoa.net/Documents/latest/UCDlistMaintenance.html . I?m ready to move the document to the state of PR and request comments from the community, but before doing this I?d like to be sure that the discussion in our WG is over. So, if you still have comments or amendments to the text of the Working Draft, please do it soon. A reasonable schedule could be to have an RFC in February and to submit the PR to the Exec before the InterOp in spring. Cheers, Andrea ============================================================================== Andrea Preite Martinez andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it Istituto di Astrofisica Spaziale Tel.:+39.06.4993.4641 Area di Ricerca di Tor Vergata Fax.:+39.06.2066.0188 Via del Fosso del Cavaliere 100 Cell:+39.339.3817355 00133 Roma CDS :+33.3.90242473 ============================================================================== From pdidelon at cea.fr Thu Jan 5 02:00:47 2006 From: pdidelon at cea.fr (Pierre Didelon) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:00:47 +0100 Subject: UCD news... In-Reply-To: <20060103102008.y85gtgkm7jf4844g@webmail.sic.rm.cnr.it> References: <20060103102008.y85gtgkm7jf4844g@webmail.sic.rm.cnr.it> Message-ID: <43BCEE4F.8020208@cea.fr> Hi Andrea, Andrea Preite Martinez wrote: > Dear members of the WG, > > first of all, a very happy new year to you all! > > For a good start, I'm pleased to annunce you that the UCD1+ word-list is > an IVOA Recommendation from Dec 31 2005. > You can find version 1.11 of the document at :-) > > http://www.ivoa.net/Documents/latest/UCDlist.html Now that we have > eventually the first standard list of words, it's time to start > wondering how to change it! > We already had a discussion on a Note on UCD1+ maintenance I submitted > to the WG in October. I revised the Note according to some (if not all) > of your remarks, and transformed the Note into the Working Draft that > you can find at > http://www.ivoa.net/Documents/latest/UCDlistMaintenance.html . > > I?m ready to move the document to the state of PR and request comments > from the community, but before doing this I?d like to be sure that the > discussion in our WG is over. So, if you still have comments or > amendments to the text of the Working Draft, please do it soon. The procedure for ucd-list revision formalism seems to be well establish, nevertheless I have a question and a request for clarification concerning the way it will work... in real world. It concerns the end of the introduction where the differents parts involved in the procedure are listed/presented. I don't completly understand the link between the sci-board and the community. There is no mention of the UCD WG! What is the purposes and goals of this group considering the UCDlist? Are the sci-board members supposed to follow the discussions on semantic WG? For the moment I am not registered there! Because before any proposition of modifications some discussions will occurs on the WG lists and it will perhaps be of some help to follow the ideas maturation for a better understanding of the proposition!? Or are the propositions supposed to occur ab nihilo? Where are supposed to occur such discussions, UCD or semantic WG? > A reasonable schedule could be to have an RFC in February and to submit > the PR to the Exec before the InterOp in spring. Cheers, > > Andrea > > > ============================================================================== > > Andrea Preite Martinez > andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it > Istituto di Astrofisica Spaziale Tel.:+39.06.4993.4641 > Area di Ricerca di Tor Vergata Fax.:+39.06.2066.0188 > Via del Fosso del Cavaliere 100 Cell:+39.339.3817355 > 00133 Roma CDS :+33.3.90242473 > ============================================================================== > > > -- Pierre ------------------------------------------------------------------ DIDELON :@: pdidelon_at_cea.fr Phone : 33 (0)1 69 08 58 89 CEA SACLAY - Service d'Astrophysique 91191 Gif-Sur-Yvette Cedex ------------------------------------------------------------------ Aidez les enfants Tib?tains : http://www.a-e-t.org/jcparrain.htm ou d'autres : http://www.sosesf.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Le langage est l'illusion qui masque la complexit? de l'esprit. Julip - Jim Harrison ------------------------------------------------------------------ Si le paraitre compte plus que l'?tre le faire-savoir plus que le savoir-faire la croyance est elle plus forte que la science? From andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it Thu Jan 5 02:23:30 2006 From: andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it (Andrea Preite Martinez) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:23:30 +0100 Subject: UCD news... In-Reply-To: <43BCEE4F.8020208@cea.fr> References: <20060103102008.y85gtgkm7jf4844g@webmail.sic.rm.cnr.it> <43BCEE4F.8020208@cea.fr> Message-ID: <20060105112330.j023ic9xmmyo0o8o@webmail.sic.rm.cnr.it> Quoting Pierre Didelon : > > There is no mention of the UCD WG! What is the purposes and goals of > this group > considering the UCDlist? > Are the sci-board members supposed to follow the discussions on semantic WG? > For the moment I am not registered there! Pierre, you are right, I forgot to communicate "urbi et orbi" for those not present at last InterOp that the Exec has decided to change the name of the UCD WG into UCD/Semantic WG. For technical reasons (I've been told by the -former - IVOA Doc manager) the names of the WG and of the discussion list were left unchanged. So UCD WG and Semantic WG are indeed the same thing! Ciao Andrea ============================================================================== Andrea Preite Martinez andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it Istituto di Astrofisica Spaziale Tel.:+39.06.4993.4641 Area di Ricerca di Tor Vergata Fax.:+39.06.2066.0188 Via del Fosso del Cavaliere 100 Cell:+39.339.3817355 00133 Roma CDS :+33.3.90242473 ============================================================================== From andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it Tue Jan 3 01:20:08 2006 From: andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it (Andrea Preite Martinez) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:20:08 +0100 Subject: UCD news... Message-ID: <20060103102008.y85gtgkm7jf4844g@webmail.sic.rm.cnr.it> Dear members of the WG, first of all, a very happy new year to you all! For a good start, I'm pleased to annunce you that the UCD1+ word-list is an IVOA Recommendation from Dec 31 2005. You can find version 1.11 of the document at http://www.ivoa.net/Documents/latest/UCDlist.html Now that we have eventually the first standard list of words, it's time to start wondering how to change it! We already had a discussion on a Note on UCD1+ maintenance I submitted to the WG in October. I revised the Note according to some (if not all) of your remarks, and transformed the Note into the Working Draft that you can find at http://www.ivoa.net/Documents/latest/UCDlistMaintenance.html . I?m ready to move the document to the state of PR and request comments from the community, but before doing this I?d like to be sure that the discussion in our WG is over. So, if you still have comments or amendments to the text of the Working Draft, please do it soon. A reasonable schedule could be to have an RFC in February and to submit the PR to the Exec before the InterOp in spring. Cheers, Andrea ============================================================================== Andrea Preite Martinez andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it Istituto di Astrofisica Spaziale Tel.:+39.06.4993.4641 Area di Ricerca di Tor Vergata Fax.:+39.06.2066.0188 Via del Fosso del Cavaliere 100 Cell:+39.339.3817355 00133 Roma CDS :+33.3.90242473 ============================================================================== From andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it Tue Jan 3 01:20:08 2006 From: andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it (Andrea Preite Martinez) Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:20:08 +0100 Subject: UCD news... Message-ID: <20060103102008.y85gtgkm7jf4844g@webmail.sic.rm.cnr.it> Dear members of the WG, first of all, a very happy new year to you all! For a good start, I'm pleased to annunce you that the UCD1+ word-list is an IVOA Recommendation from Dec 31 2005. You can find version 1.11 of the document at http://www.ivoa.net/Documents/latest/UCDlist.html Now that we have eventually the first standard list of words, it's time to start wondering how to change it! We already had a discussion on a Note on UCD1+ maintenance I submitted to the WG in October. I revised the Note according to some (if not all) of your remarks, and transformed the Note into the Working Draft that you can find at http://www.ivoa.net/Documents/latest/UCDlistMaintenance.html . I?m ready to move the document to the state of PR and request comments from the community, but before doing this I?d like to be sure that the discussion in our WG is over. So, if you still have comments or amendments to the text of the Working Draft, please do it soon. A reasonable schedule could be to have an RFC in February and to submit the PR to the Exec before the InterOp in spring. Cheers, Andrea ============================================================================== Andrea Preite Martinez andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it Istituto di Astrofisica Spaziale Tel.:+39.06.4993.4641 Area di Ricerca di Tor Vergata Fax.:+39.06.2066.0188 Via del Fosso del Cavaliere 100 Cell:+39.339.3817355 00133 Roma CDS :+33.3.90242473 ============================================================================== From pdidelon at cea.fr Thu Jan 5 02:00:47 2006 From: pdidelon at cea.fr (Pierre Didelon) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:00:47 +0100 Subject: UCD news... In-Reply-To: <20060103102008.y85gtgkm7jf4844g@webmail.sic.rm.cnr.it> References: <20060103102008.y85gtgkm7jf4844g@webmail.sic.rm.cnr.it> Message-ID: <43BCEE4F.8020208@cea.fr> Hi Andrea, Andrea Preite Martinez wrote: > Dear members of the WG, > > first of all, a very happy new year to you all! > > For a good start, I'm pleased to annunce you that the UCD1+ word-list is > an IVOA Recommendation from Dec 31 2005. > You can find version 1.11 of the document at :-) > > http://www.ivoa.net/Documents/latest/UCDlist.html Now that we have > eventually the first standard list of words, it's time to start > wondering how to change it! > We already had a discussion on a Note on UCD1+ maintenance I submitted > to the WG in October. I revised the Note according to some (if not all) > of your remarks, and transformed the Note into the Working Draft that > you can find at > http://www.ivoa.net/Documents/latest/UCDlistMaintenance.html . > > I?m ready to move the document to the state of PR and request comments > from the community, but before doing this I?d like to be sure that the > discussion in our WG is over. So, if you still have comments or > amendments to the text of the Working Draft, please do it soon. The procedure for ucd-list revision formalism seems to be well establish, nevertheless I have a question and a request for clarification concerning the way it will work... in real world. It concerns the end of the introduction where the differents parts involved in the procedure are listed/presented. I don't completly understand the link between the sci-board and the community. There is no mention of the UCD WG! What is the purposes and goals of this group considering the UCDlist? Are the sci-board members supposed to follow the discussions on semantic WG? For the moment I am not registered there! Because before any proposition of modifications some discussions will occurs on the WG lists and it will perhaps be of some help to follow the ideas maturation for a better understanding of the proposition!? Or are the propositions supposed to occur ab nihilo? Where are supposed to occur such discussions, UCD or semantic WG? > A reasonable schedule could be to have an RFC in February and to submit > the PR to the Exec before the InterOp in spring. Cheers, > > Andrea > > > ============================================================================== > > Andrea Preite Martinez > andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it > Istituto di Astrofisica Spaziale Tel.:+39.06.4993.4641 > Area di Ricerca di Tor Vergata Fax.:+39.06.2066.0188 > Via del Fosso del Cavaliere 100 Cell:+39.339.3817355 > 00133 Roma CDS :+33.3.90242473 > ============================================================================== > > > -- Pierre ------------------------------------------------------------------ DIDELON :@: pdidelon_at_cea.fr Phone : 33 (0)1 69 08 58 89 CEA SACLAY - Service d'Astrophysique 91191 Gif-Sur-Yvette Cedex ------------------------------------------------------------------ Aidez les enfants Tib?tains : http://www.a-e-t.org/jcparrain.htm ou d'autres : http://www.sosesf.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ Le langage est l'illusion qui masque la complexit? de l'esprit. Julip - Jim Harrison ------------------------------------------------------------------ Si le paraitre compte plus que l'?tre le faire-savoir plus que le savoir-faire la croyance est elle plus forte que la science? From andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it Thu Jan 5 02:23:30 2006 From: andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it (Andrea Preite Martinez) Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:23:30 +0100 Subject: UCD news... In-Reply-To: <43BCEE4F.8020208@cea.fr> References: <20060103102008.y85gtgkm7jf4844g@webmail.sic.rm.cnr.it> <43BCEE4F.8020208@cea.fr> Message-ID: <20060105112330.j023ic9xmmyo0o8o@webmail.sic.rm.cnr.it> Quoting Pierre Didelon : > > There is no mention of the UCD WG! What is the purposes and goals of > this group > considering the UCDlist? > Are the sci-board members supposed to follow the discussions on semantic WG? > For the moment I am not registered there! Pierre, you are right, I forgot to communicate "urbi et orbi" for those not present at last InterOp that the Exec has decided to change the name of the UCD WG into UCD/Semantic WG. For technical reasons (I've been told by the -former - IVOA Doc manager) the names of the WG and of the discussion list were left unchanged. So UCD WG and Semantic WG are indeed the same thing! Ciao Andrea ============================================================================== Andrea Preite Martinez andrea.preitemartinez at rm.iasf.cnr.it Istituto di Astrofisica Spaziale Tel.:+39.06.4993.4641 Area di Ricerca di Tor Vergata Fax.:+39.06.2066.0188 Via del Fosso del Cavaliere 100 Cell:+39.339.3817355 00133 Roma CDS :+33.3.90242473 ==============================================================================