From thomas.boch at astro.unistra.fr Tue Nov 1 08:17:58 2011 From: thomas.boch at astro.unistra.fr (Thomas Boch) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 16:17:58 +0100 Subject: Aladin beta 7.068 and JSAMP 1.3-1 Message-ID: <4EB00DA6.2040501@astro.unistra.fr> Dear all, Aladin beta v. 7.068 has been released and is available from: http://aladin.u-strasbg.fr/java/nph-aladin.pl?frame=downloading In this version, the embedded JSAMP hub has been upgraded to version 1.3-1 , which means the Web profile is now supported and enabled by default. Cheers, Thomas From m.b.taylor at bristol.ac.uk Fri Nov 18 04:16:34 2011 From: m.b.taylor at bristol.ac.uk (Mark Taylor) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:16:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: SAMP doc revision Message-ID: Hi all, Following discussions at Pune and some further thought of mine I've made another revision to the SAMP 1.3 draft, which I now hope to submit as a Proposed Recommendation. The main changes are to the discussion of Security - I've reworked the section on Web Profile security (again) and added new separate sections on security in general and also moved the discussion of Standard Profile security to its own section for consistency. The recommendations in the Web Profile security section have changed a bit; it's now recommended that implementations consider restricting the behaviour permitted to Web Profile clients in terms of both the MTypes they are allowed to send and the URLs they are allowed to translate. I am (finally) confident that along with the registration restrictions this delivers a solution with adequate protection for users against potentially hostile Web SAMP clients. Please take a look and post any comments to the list or to me. If there's no disagreement, I plan to submit this PR near the end of next week (25 Nov). The text is in volute as usual (http://code.google.com/p/volute/source/browse/trunk/projects/samp/doc/samp.tex) If you want a built copy you can find one at ftp://andromeda.star.bris.ac.uk/pub/star/sampdoc/ Mark -- Mark Taylor Astronomical Programmer Physics, Bristol University, UK m.b.taylor at bris.ac.uk +44-117-928-8776 http://www.star.bris.ac.uk/~mbt/ From m.b.taylor at bristol.ac.uk Mon Nov 21 03:20:57 2011 From: m.b.taylor at bristol.ac.uk (Mark Taylor) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:20:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: x-samp.query.by-meta Message-ID: Hi all, following a suggestion from Luigi, I've added a draft for a new experimental MType, x-samp.query.by-meta, to the http://www.ivoa.net/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SampMTypes wiki page. The main point of this is to make it easy for SAMP clients to find the ID of a client with a given name, e.g. "is Aladin registered, and if so what's its client ID?", though it can be used in more general ways too. This would typically be implemented by the Hub, though since normal clients could implement it, my feeling is that it an (x-)samp.hub.* name would not be appropriate. The description on that wiki page is just my first draft for discussion; if anybody wants to change/improve/rename it, or thinks it's a bad idea, please edit it and/or discuss it on this list. In particular: Luigi, does this do what you had in mind? Mark -- Mark Taylor Astronomical Programmer Physics, Bristol University, UK m.b.taylor at bris.ac.uk +44-117-928-8776 http://www.star.bris.ac.uk/~mbt/ From sylvain.lafrasse at obs.ujf-grenoble.fr Mon Nov 21 04:02:12 2011 From: sylvain.lafrasse at obs.ujf-grenoble.fr (Sylvain LAFRASSE) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 13:02:12 +0100 Subject: x-samp.query.by-meta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <453D4204-F684-41B0-9BE6-E01A0F5B34FA@obs.ujf-grenoble.fr> On 21 nov. 2011, at 12:20, Mark Taylor wrote: > Hi all, > > following a suggestion from Luigi, I've added a draft for a new > experimental MType, x-samp.query.by-meta, to the > http://www.ivoa.net/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SampMTypes > wiki page. The main point of this is to make it easy for SAMP > clients to find the ID of a client with a given name, e.g. > "is Aladin registered, and if so what's its client ID?", > though it can be used in more general ways too. > This would typically be implemented by the Hub, though since > normal clients could implement it, my feeling is that it an > (x-)samp.hub.* name would not be appropriate. > > The description on that wiki page is just my first draft for discussion; > if anybody wants to change/improve/rename it, or thinks it's a bad > idea, please edit it and/or discuss it on this list. > In particular: Luigi, does this do what you had in mind? We are greatly interested by this feature, and would vote for the hub to do the job ! This way we could rely on it, without waiting/hoping on every client to be updated (e.g old no more maintened ones). Sylvain LAFRASSE, on the behalf of the JMMC team. > > Mark > > -- > Mark Taylor Astronomical Programmer Physics, Bristol University, UK > m.b.taylor at bris.ac.uk +44-117-928-8776 http://www.star.bris.ac.uk/~mbt/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luigi at lambrate.inaf.it Mon Nov 21 05:10:54 2011 From: luigi at lambrate.inaf.it (Luigi Paioro) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 14:10:54 +0100 Subject: x-samp.query.by-meta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ECA4DDE.5060402@lambrate.inaf.it> Hi Mark, thanks for having raised this issue in the mailing list. Yes, that is what I had in mind, even though I would have preferred a (x-)samp.hub MType. However x-samp.query.by-meta is OK to me and I think to include its support in a next version of the SAMPy Hub. Cheers, Luigi Il 11/21/11 12:20, Mark Taylor ha scritto: > Hi all, > > following a suggestion from Luigi, I've added a draft for a new > experimental MType, x-samp.query.by-meta, to the > http://www.ivoa.net/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SampMTypes > wiki page. The main point of this is to make it easy for SAMP > clients to find the ID of a client with a given name, e.g. > "is Aladin registered, and if so what's its client ID?", > though it can be used in more general ways too. > This would typically be implemented by the Hub, though since > normal clients could implement it, my feeling is that it an > (x-)samp.hub.* name would not be appropriate. > > The description on that wiki page is just my first draft for discussion; > if anybody wants to change/improve/rename it, or thinks it's a bad > idea, please edit it and/or discuss it on this list. > In particular: Luigi, does this do what you had in mind? > > Mark From thomas.boch at astro.unistra.fr Mon Nov 21 05:15:42 2011 From: thomas.boch at astro.unistra.fr (Thomas Boch) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 14:15:42 +0100 Subject: x-samp.query.by-meta In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ECA4EFE.1040709@astro.unistra.fr> Hi Mark, I think the idea is nice, but I do not see the rationale in not making it a samp.hub.* MType. Do you have use cases where regular applications would like to implement this ? Cheers, Thomas Mark Taylor wrote: > Hi all, > > following a suggestion from Luigi, I've added a draft for a new > experimental MType, x-samp.query.by-meta, to the > http://www.ivoa.net/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SampMTypes > wiki page. The main point of this is to make it easy for SAMP > clients to find the ID of a client with a given name, e.g. > "is Aladin registered, and if so what's its client ID?", > though it can be used in more general ways too. > This would typically be implemented by the Hub, though since > normal clients could implement it, my feeling is that it an > (x-)samp.hub.* name would not be appropriate. > > The description on that wiki page is just my first draft for discussion; > if anybody wants to change/improve/rename it, or thinks it's a bad > idea, please edit it and/or discuss it on this list. > In particular: Luigi, does this do what you had in mind? > > Mark > > -- > Mark Taylor Astronomical Programmer Physics, Bristol University, UK > m.b.taylor at bris.ac.uk +44-117-928-8776 http://www.star.bris.ac.uk/~mbt/ > -- Thomas Boch Ing?nieur de Recherche CDS/Observatoire Astronomique Phone : 33 (0)3 68 85 24 42 11, rue de l'Universite Fax : 33 (0)3 68 85 24 17 F-67000 Strasbourg Email : thomas.boch at astro.unistra.fr France http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/~boch From m.b.taylor at bristol.ac.uk Mon Nov 21 05:30:57 2011 From: m.b.taylor at bristol.ac.uk (Mark Taylor) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 13:30:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: x-samp.query.by-meta In-Reply-To: <4ECA4EFE.1040709@astro.unistra.fr> References: <4ECA4EFE.1040709@astro.unistra.fr> Message-ID: Thomas (and Luigi), Certainly the most obvious usage pattern would be for the hub to implement this MType. If it makes it into the standard it could even be a SHOULD or MUST for the hub to do so. However, even if that happens, clients will have to be prepared for the hub not to implement it, for instance they might find themselves using an older hub version. If you're deploying multiple clients A1, A2, A3 that might like to use that MType, it could be convenient to deploy another client B which implements it for convenience of the others if the hub is found not to implement it, especially if you can guarantee that B will always be present when A1, A2 and A3 are. A client is capable of implementing it efficiently if it keeps track of metadata using the various samp.hub.event messages. But, there's no general rule that clients cannot implement a samp.hub.* MType, so that doesn't absolutely preclude calling this one samp.hub.query.by-meta or similar. If most people prefer a samp.hub.* name I've got no objection to changing it. Mark On Mon, 21 Nov 2011, Thomas Boch wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I think the idea is nice, but I do not see the rationale in not making it a > samp.hub.* MType. > Do you have use cases where regular applications would like to implement this > ? > > Cheers, > > Thomas > > Mark Taylor wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > following a suggestion from Luigi, I've added a draft for a new experimental > > MType, x-samp.query.by-meta, to the > > http://www.ivoa.net/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/SampMTypes > > wiki page. The main point of this is to make it easy for SAMP > > clients to find the ID of a client with a given name, e.g. > > "is Aladin registered, and if so what's its client ID?", > > though it can be used in more general ways too. > > This would typically be implemented by the Hub, though since > > normal clients could implement it, my feeling is that it an > > (x-)samp.hub.* name would not be appropriate. > > > > The description on that wiki page is just my first draft for discussion; > > if anybody wants to change/improve/rename it, or thinks it's a bad > > idea, please edit it and/or discuss it on this list. > > In particular: Luigi, does this do what you had in mind? > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Mark Taylor Astronomical Programmer Physics, Bristol University, UK > > m.b.taylor at bris.ac.uk +44-117-928-8776 http://www.star.bris.ac.uk/~mbt/ > > > > > -- > Thomas Boch > Ing?nieur de Recherche > > CDS/Observatoire Astronomique Phone : 33 (0)3 68 85 24 42 > 11, rue de l'Universite Fax : 33 (0)3 68 85 24 17 > F-67000 Strasbourg Email : thomas.boch at astro.unistra.fr > France http://cdsweb.u-strasbg.fr/~boch > -- Mark Taylor Astronomical Programmer Physics, Bristol University, UK m.b.taylor at bris.ac.uk +44-117-928-8776 http://www.star.bris.ac.uk/~mbt/