From naw at ast.cam.ac.uk Tue Jul 29 08:47:56 2003 From: naw at ast.cam.ac.uk (Nicholas Walton) Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:47:56 +0100 (BST) Subject: Astro-RG - proposal (fwd) Message-ID: ======================================================================== Dr N. A. Walton (AstroGrid Project Scientist) Tel: +44 1223 337503 Institute of Astronomy FAX: +44 1223 337523 University of Cambridge WWW: http://www.astrogrid.org Madingley Road WWW: http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/~naw Cambridge, CB3 0HA email: naw at ast.cam.ac.uk ======================================================================== ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:45:07 +0100 (BST) From: Nicholas Walton To: bruno at ggf.org Cc: Nicholas Walton , moore at sdsc.edu, mdolensky at eso.org, matsu at is.titech.ac.jp Subject: Astro-RG - proposal Dear Stacey, Further to our (Reagan Moore, I and you) preliminary discussion at the Seattle GGF8 meeting, I now attach our proposed charter for the Astronomy Grid communities GGF research group. We believe that this would best fit within the Applications, Programming Models and Environments Area (APME). As you can see this initiative is backed by the major global initiatives (see the International Virtual Observatory Alliance www site at www.ivoa.net for background info) currently constructing virtual observatories. Many, such as AstroGrid, are employing enabling grid technologies in this process. If approved by the GGF we would hope to be able to begin the process with the organisation of a BOF at GGF9 in Chicago. Please let me know if there are any further supporting materials that you might need. Yours, Nic Walton p.s. I realise that my GGF membership had lapsed, but I'll renew this with my registration for the GGF9 meeting! ======================================================================== Dr N. A. 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Name: Astro-RG-charter.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 52608 bytes Desc: pdf file URL: From masatoshi.ohishi at nao.ac.jp Sat Jul 12 00:35:45 2003 From: masatoshi.ohishi at nao.ac.jp (Masatoshi OHISHI) Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:35:45 +0900 Subject: draft GGF Astro-RG charter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.5.2.20030712162143.042ddec8@133.40.4.4> Hi Nic, At 21:17 03/07/11 +0100, Nicholas Walton wrote: >i note that at the last GGF8 (seattle in June) charlie catlett, in summing >up, called for more application areas to come forward and participate in >the GGF. speaking to satoshi matsuoka, the area director for the ggf >Applications, Programming Models and Environments Area (APME) (see >http://www.ggf.org/7_APM/APS.htm), was also glad to hear that astronomy >may participate. (note that there is a life science grid research group, >and that HEP had a BOF in seattle). astronomy would thus be the third app >area. The JVO team has been collaborating with Matsuoka for long, and he told to us this idea some months ago. The GGF needs a prominent application area to demonstrate the power of the GRID technology, and he believes astronomy (I would say Images on astronomy) is the best to attract many people to the GRID world. Life science is strongly related with the business, and it is strongly required to have very secure environment to protect personal informations. HEP is waiting for the completion of the Large Hadron Collider a CERN, and not many people in the world are interested in High Energy Physics. Astronomy already has huge data set, and there are so many amateur astronomers and astronomy fans in the world. Astronomical images are more attractive than those in high energy physics, as you can easily understand. The fundamental GRID techniques to be used in astronomical VOs can also be implemented to business applications with some modifications and upgrades. These are the backgrounds why Matsuoka hopes to establish such a group in GGF, I think. Cheers, Masatoshi From naw at ast.cam.ac.uk Fri Jul 11 13:17:54 2003 From: naw at ast.cam.ac.uk (Nicholas Walton) Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:17:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: draft GGF Astro-RG charter Message-ID: Dear All, attached (in pdf format) is the draft of a charter that Reagan and I have recently drawn up which would start the ball rolling towards setting up a research group at the GGF (Global Grid Forum - see http://www.ggf.org). Basically, the idea would be to have a IVOA proposed research group which would aim to generate a report on usage of ggf stds and identify areas from the astronomy domain which will demand attention in GGF stds. Thus the GGF Astro-RG would be a good means of ensuring that astronomy and the astronomy VO projects, participates in a more formal way in inputting astronomy specific requirments into the grid stds making process. i note that at the last GGF8 (seattle in June) charlie catlett, in summing up, called for more application areas to come forward and participate in the GGF. speaking to satoshi matsuoka, the area director for the ggf Applications, Programming Models and Environments Area (APME) (see http://www.ggf.org/7_APM/APS.htm), was also glad to hear that astronomy may participate. (note that there is a life science grid research group, and that HEP had a BOF in seattle). astronomy would thus be the third app area. in terms of process, this draft would need to go to the ggf by the end of july, in order that they can consider scheduling in a BOF session at the Oct GGF meeting. assuming support then the RG could begin operation at the March 2004 GGF. reagan and i have listed names - these could change of course. We suggest that this is discussed at the 23 July meeting of the IVOA - if it is agreed then we will submit the proposal to the GGF shortly afterwards. Yours, Nic Walton ======================================================================== Dr N. A. Walton (AstroGrid Project Scientist) Tel: +44 1223 337503 Institute of Astronomy FAX: +44 1223 337523 University of Cambridge WWW: http://www.astrogrid.org Madingley Road WWW: http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/~naw Cambridge, CB3 0HA email: naw at ast.cam.ac.uk ======================================================================== -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Astro-RG-charter.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 68187 bytes Desc: URL: From naw at ast.cam.ac.uk Wed Jul 9 14:21:54 2003 From: naw at ast.cam.ac.uk (Nicholas Walton) Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:21:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: draft GGF IVOA_RG charter Message-ID: Dear Bob, Andy and Peter, attached is the draft of a charter that Reagan and I have recently drawn up which would start the ball rolling towards setting up a research group at the GGF (Global Grid Forum - see http://www.ggf.org). Basically, the idea would be to have a IVOA proposed research group which would aim to generate a report on usage of ggf stds and identify areas from the astronomy domain which will demand attention in ggf stds. thus the ggf ivoa-rg would be a good means of ensuring that astronomy and the astronomy VO projects, participates in a more formal way in inputting astronomy specific requirments into the grid stds making process. i note that at the last GGF8 (seattle in June) charlie catlett, in summing up, called for more application areas to come forward and participate in the GGF. speaking to satoshi matsuoka, the area director for the ggf Applications, Programming Models and Environments Area (APME) (see http://www.ggf.org/7_APM/APS.htm), was also glad to hear that astronomy may participate. (note that there is a life science grid research group, and that HEP had a BOF in seattle). astronomy would thus be the third app area. in terms of process, this draft would need to go to the ggf by the end of july, in order that they can consider scheduling in a BOF session at the Oct GGF meeting. assuming support then the RG could begin operation at the March 2004 GGF. reagan and i have listed names - these could change of course. we suggest that if you are generally positive about this development, that we present and discuss this at the upcoming july 23 ivoa meeting. after that we should send the draft charter to the GGF. Yours, Nic ======================================================================== Dr N. A. Walton (AstroGrid Project Scientist) Tel: +44 1223 337503 Institute of Astronomy FAX: +44 1223 337523 University of Cambridge WWW: http://www.astrogrid.org Madingley Road WWW: http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/~naw Cambridge, CB3 0HA email: naw at ast.cam.ac.uk ======================================================================== -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IVOA-RG-charter.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 57326 bytes Desc: pdf URL: From Markus.Dolensky at eso.org Wed Jul 9 15:55:46 2003 From: Markus.Dolensky at eso.org (Markus Dolensky) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:55:46 +0200 Subject: draft GGF IVOA_RG charter References: Message-ID: <3F0C9D72.30500@eso.org> ... spotted my name suspiciously often ... gridstart is fighting back ... Markus Nicholas Walton wrote: > Dear Bob, Andy and Peter, > > attached is the draft of a charter that Reagan and I have recently drawn > up which would start the ball rolling towards setting up a research group > at the GGF (Global Grid Forum - see http://www.ggf.org). > > Basically, the idea would be to have a IVOA proposed research group which > would aim to generate a report on usage of ggf stds and identify areas > from the astronomy domain which will demand attention in ggf stds. > > thus the ggf ivoa-rg would be a good means of ensuring that astronomy and > the astronomy VO projects, participates in a more formal way in inputting > astronomy specific requirments into the grid stds making process. > > i note that at the last GGF8 (seattle in June) charlie catlett, in summing > up, called for more application areas to come forward and participate in > the GGF. speaking to satoshi matsuoka, the area director for the ggf > Applications, Programming Models and Environments Area (APME) (see > http://www.ggf.org/7_APM/APS.htm), was also glad to hear that astronomy > may participate. (note that there is a life science grid research group, > and that HEP had a BOF in seattle). astronomy would thus be the third app > area. > > in terms of process, this draft would need to go to the ggf by the end of > july, in order that they can consider scheduling in a BOF session at the > Oct GGF meeting. assuming support then the RG could begin operation at the > March 2004 GGF. > > reagan and i have listed names - these could change of course. > > we suggest that if you are generally positive about this development, that > we present and discuss this at the upcoming july 23 ivoa meeting. after > that we should send the draft charter to the GGF. > > Yours, Nic > > ======================================================================== > Dr N. A. Walton > (AstroGrid Project Scientist) Tel: +44 1223 337503 > Institute of Astronomy FAX: +44 1223 337523 > University of Cambridge WWW: http://www.astrogrid.org > Madingley Road WWW: http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/~naw > Cambridge, CB3 0HA email: naw at ast.cam.ac.uk > ======================================================================== From Markus.Dolensky at eso.org Wed Jul 9 15:59:38 2003 From: Markus.Dolensky at eso.org (Markus Dolensky) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:59:38 +0200 Subject: draft GGF IVOA_RG charter References: Message-ID: <3F0C9E5A.7000604@eso.org> BTW, there is already a list http://www.ivoa.net/forum/grid/ M. From ael at star.le.ac.uk Thu Jul 10 04:30:00 2003 From: ael at star.le.ac.uk (Tony Linde) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:30:00 +0100 Subject: draft GGF IVOA_RG charter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030710113000.E0195723E4@smtp.us2.messagingengine.com> Hi Nic, I like the idea but was wondering if it was better called the Astronomy RG. Fits better with the other app area RGs and tells people who don't know what IVOA stands for what it is. Cheers, Tony. On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:21:54 +0100 (BST), "Nicholas Walton" said: > Dear Bob, Andy and Peter, > > attached is the draft of a charter that Reagan and I have recently drawn > up which would start the ball rolling towards setting up a research group > at the GGF (Global Grid Forum - see http://www.ggf.org). > > Basically, the idea would be to have a IVOA proposed research group which > would aim to generate a report on usage of ggf stds and identify areas > from the astronomy domain which will demand attention in ggf stds. > > thus the ggf ivoa-rg would be a good means of ensuring that astronomy and > the astronomy VO projects, participates in a more formal way in inputting > astronomy specific requirments into the grid stds making process. > > i note that at the last GGF8 (seattle in June) charlie catlett, in > summing > up, called for more application areas to come forward and participate in > the GGF. speaking to satoshi matsuoka, the area director for the ggf > Applications, Programming Models and Environments Area (APME) (see > http://www.ggf.org/7_APM/APS.htm), was also glad to hear that astronomy > may participate. (note that there is a life science grid research group, > and that HEP had a BOF in seattle). astronomy would thus be the third app > area. > > in terms of process, this draft would need to go to the ggf by the end of > july, in order that they can consider scheduling in a BOF session at the > Oct GGF meeting. assuming support then the RG could begin operation at > the > March 2004 GGF. > > reagan and i have listed names - these could change of course. > > we suggest that if you are generally positive about this development, > that > we present and discuss this at the upcoming july 23 ivoa meeting. after > that we should send the draft charter to the GGF. > > Yours, Nic > > ======================================================================== > Dr N. A. Walton > (AstroGrid Project Scientist) Tel: +44 1223 337503 > Institute of Astronomy FAX: +44 1223 337523 > University of Cambridge WWW: http://www.astrogrid.org > Madingley Road WWW: http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/~naw > Cambridge, CB3 0HA email: naw at ast.cam.ac.uk > ======================================================================== > __ Tony Linde Phone: +44 (0)116 223 1292 AstroGrid Project Manager Fax: +44 (0)116 252 3311 Dept of Physics & Astronomy Mobile: +44 (0)7753 603356 University of Leicester Email: ael at star.le.ac.uk Leicester, UK LE1 7RH Web: http://www.astrogrid.org From naw at ast.cam.ac.uk Thu Jul 10 05:59:59 2003 From: naw at ast.cam.ac.uk (Nicholas Walton) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:59:59 +0100 (BST) Subject: draft GGF IVOA_RG charter In-Reply-To: <20030710113000.E0195723E4@smtp.us2.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: hi tony, thinking behind ivoa-wg was that the ivoa is a tangible body which gives real backing to this activity. so name to reflect that - but i'm also happy with the name astronomy-rg! cheers, nic ======================================================================== Dr N. A. Walton (AstroGrid Project Scientist) Tel: +44 1223 337503 Institute of Astronomy FAX: +44 1223 337523 University of Cambridge WWW: http://www.astrogrid.org Madingley Road WWW: http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/~naw Cambridge, CB3 0HA email: naw at ast.cam.ac.uk ======================================================================== On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Tony Linde wrote: > Hi Nic, > > I like the idea but was wondering if it was better called the Astronomy > RG. Fits better with the other app area RGs and tells people who don't > know what IVOA stands for what it is. > > Cheers, > Tony. > > On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:21:54 +0100 (BST), "Nicholas Walton" > said: > > Dear Bob, Andy and Peter, > > > > attached is the draft of a charter that Reagan and I have recently drawn > > up which would start the ball rolling towards setting up a research group > > at the GGF (Global Grid Forum - see http://www.ggf.org). > > > > Basically, the idea would be to have a IVOA proposed research group which > > would aim to generate a report on usage of ggf stds and identify areas > > from the astronomy domain which will demand attention in ggf stds. > > > > thus the ggf ivoa-rg would be a good means of ensuring that astronomy and > > the astronomy VO projects, participates in a more formal way in inputting > > astronomy specific requirments into the grid stds making process. > > > > i note that at the last GGF8 (seattle in June) charlie catlett, in > > summing > > up, called for more application areas to come forward and participate in > > the GGF. speaking to satoshi matsuoka, the area director for the ggf > > Applications, Programming Models and Environments Area (APME) (see > > http://www.ggf.org/7_APM/APS.htm), was also glad to hear that astronomy > > may participate. (note that there is a life science grid research group, > > and that HEP had a BOF in seattle). astronomy would thus be the third app > > area. > > > > in terms of process, this draft would need to go to the ggf by the end of > > july, in order that they can consider scheduling in a BOF session at the > > Oct GGF meeting. assuming support then the RG could begin operation at > > the > > March 2004 GGF. > > > > reagan and i have listed names - these could change of course. > > > > we suggest that if you are generally positive about this development, > > that > > we present and discuss this at the upcoming july 23 ivoa meeting. after > > that we should send the draft charter to the GGF. > > > > Yours, Nic > > > > ======================================================================== > > Dr N. A. Walton > > (AstroGrid Project Scientist) Tel: +44 1223 337503 > > Institute of Astronomy FAX: +44 1223 337523 > > University of Cambridge WWW: http://www.astrogrid.org > > Madingley Road WWW: http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/~naw > > Cambridge, CB3 0HA email: naw at ast.cam.ac.uk > > ======================================================================== > > > __ > Tony Linde Phone: +44 (0)116 223 1292 > AstroGrid Project Manager Fax: +44 (0)116 252 3311 > Dept of Physics & Astronomy Mobile: +44 (0)7753 603356 > University of Leicester Email: ael at star.le.ac.uk > Leicester, UK LE1 7RH Web: http://www.astrogrid.org > From hanisch at stsci.edu Thu Jul 10 06:24:04 2003 From: hanisch at stsci.edu (Robert Hanisch) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 09:24:04 -0400 Subject: draft GGF IVOA_RG charter References: Message-ID: <008801c346e6$888a6720$7deca782@stsci.edu> Nic, Reagan, I think this is basically a good idea, and appreciate your putting together the draft charter, etc. I tend to agree with Tony that the name should reflect Astronomy more directly. The charter can explain the IVOA organization. But as I understand it, HEP calls itself HEP and not GriPhyN or iVDGL. The 2nd paragraph on p.2 should include a correct list of the IVOA participants. We do not have a South Africa VO, so far as I know, and though a VO-France is about to become a reality we have not yet formalized their membership in the IVOA. The list neglects VO Italy (IDGAR, but I think this name is changing), VO Korea, and VO Japan. With Piero's departure from ST-ECF he is perhaps not the best person for the Leadership Committee. He might be a new VO Italy representative, though Fabio Pasian has been playing that role and for now should probably be added to this list. Cheers, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Walton" To: ; "Andrew Lawrence" ; "Peter Quinn" Cc: ; "Dolensky, Markus" ; "'Tony Linde'" Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 5:21 PM Subject: draft GGF IVOA_RG charter > Dear Bob, Andy and Peter, > > attached is the draft of a charter that Reagan and I have recently drawn > up which would start the ball rolling towards setting up a research group > at the GGF (Global Grid Forum - see http://www.ggf.org). > > Basically, the idea would be to have a IVOA proposed research group which > would aim to generate a report on usage of ggf stds and identify areas > from the astronomy domain which will demand attention in ggf stds. > > thus the ggf ivoa-rg would be a good means of ensuring that astronomy and > the astronomy VO projects, participates in a more formal way in inputting > astronomy specific requirments into the grid stds making process. > > i note that at the last GGF8 (seattle in June) charlie catlett, in summing > up, called for more application areas to come forward and participate in > the GGF. speaking to satoshi matsuoka, the area director for the ggf > Applications, Programming Models and Environments Area (APME) (see > http://www.ggf.org/7_APM/APS.htm), was also glad to hear that astronomy > may participate. (note that there is a life science grid research group, > and that HEP had a BOF in seattle). astronomy would thus be the third app > area. > > in terms of process, this draft would need to go to the ggf by the end of > july, in order that they can consider scheduling in a BOF session at the > Oct GGF meeting. assuming support then the RG could begin operation at the > March 2004 GGF. > > reagan and i have listed names - these could change of course. > > we suggest that if you are generally positive about this development, that > we present and discuss this at the upcoming july 23 ivoa meeting. after > that we should send the draft charter to the GGF. > > Yours, Nic > > ======================================================================== > Dr N. A. Walton > (AstroGrid Project Scientist) Tel: +44 1223 337503 > Institute of Astronomy FAX: +44 1223 337523 > University of Cambridge WWW: http://www.astrogrid.org > Madingley Road WWW: http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/~naw > Cambridge, CB3 0HA email: naw at ast.cam.ac.uk > ======================================================================== > > From naw at ast.cam.ac.uk Thu Jul 10 07:50:38 2003 From: naw at ast.cam.ac.uk (Nicholas Walton) Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 15:50:38 +0100 (BST) Subject: draft GGF IVOA_RG charter In-Reply-To: <008801c346e6$888a6720$7deca782@stsci.edu> Message-ID: dear bob, will take all these points on board - and do the name chance to astronomy-rg new copy of the draft tonight - shall we go ahead and add an agenda point about this at the july 23 meeting of the ivoa? cheers, nic ======================================================================== Dr N. A. Walton (AstroGrid Project Scientist) Tel: +44 1223 337503 Institute of Astronomy FAX: +44 1223 337523 University of Cambridge WWW: http://www.astrogrid.org Madingley Road WWW: http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/~naw Cambridge, CB3 0HA email: naw at ast.cam.ac.uk ======================================================================== On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Robert Hanisch wrote: > Nic, Reagan, > > I think this is basically a good idea, and appreciate your putting > together the draft charter, etc. > > I tend to agree with Tony that the name should reflect Astronomy more > directly. The charter can explain the IVOA organization. But as I > understand it, HEP calls itself HEP and not GriPhyN or iVDGL. > > The 2nd paragraph on p.2 should include a correct list of the IVOA > participants. We do not have a South Africa VO, so far as I know, and > though a VO-France is about to become a reality we have not yet formalized > their membership in the IVOA. The list neglects VO Italy (IDGAR, but I > think this name is changing), VO Korea, and VO Japan. > > With Piero's departure from ST-ECF he is perhaps not the best person for > the Leadership Committee. He might be a new VO Italy representative, though > Fabio Pasian has been playing that role and for now should probably be added > to this list. > > Cheers, > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicholas Walton" > To: ; "Andrew Lawrence" ; "Peter Quinn" > > Cc: ; "Dolensky, Markus" ; "'Tony Linde'" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 5:21 PM > Subject: draft GGF IVOA_RG charter > > > > Dear Bob, Andy and Peter, > > > > attached is the draft of a charter that Reagan and I have recently drawn > > up which would start the ball rolling towards setting up a research group > > at the GGF (Global Grid Forum - see http://www.ggf.org). > > > > Basically, the idea would be to have a IVOA proposed research group which > > would aim to generate a report on usage of ggf stds and identify areas > > from the astronomy domain which will demand attention in ggf stds. > > > > thus the ggf ivoa-rg would be a good means of ensuring that astronomy and > > the astronomy VO projects, participates in a more formal way in inputting > > astronomy specific requirments into the grid stds making process. > > > > i note that at the last GGF8 (seattle in June) charlie catlett, in summing > > up, called for more application areas to come forward and participate in > > the GGF. speaking to satoshi matsuoka, the area director for the ggf > > Applications, Programming Models and Environments Area (APME) (see > > http://www.ggf.org/7_APM/APS.htm), was also glad to hear that astronomy > > may participate. (note that there is a life science grid research group, > > and that HEP had a BOF in seattle). astronomy would thus be the third app > > area. > > > > in terms of process, this draft would need to go to the ggf by the end of > > july, in order that they can consider scheduling in a BOF session at the > > Oct GGF meeting. assuming support then the RG could begin operation at the > > March 2004 GGF. > > > > reagan and i have listed names - these could change of course. > > > > we suggest that if you are generally positive about this development, that > > we present and discuss this at the upcoming july 23 ivoa meeting. after > > that we should send the draft charter to the GGF. > > > > Yours, Nic > > > > ======================================================================== > > Dr N. A. Walton > > (AstroGrid Project Scientist) Tel: +44 1223 337503 > > Institute of Astronomy FAX: +44 1223 337523 > > University of Cambridge WWW: http://www.astrogrid.org > > Madingley Road WWW: http://www.ast.cam.ac.uk/~naw > > Cambridge, CB3 0HA email: naw at ast.cam.ac.uk > > ======================================================================== > > > > >